I am a member of a PCA Protestant church, and I’ve noticed that ALL the young couples use the language “we’re trying” when they are no longer using birth control. This always cracks me up, because for most of us, “trying” shouldn’t be necessary. Sex should be fun and relaxed, at the same time understanding that you could have a baby. “Trying” just seems so anxious and performance-based. It isn’t necessary for most of us, and yet we’ve been programmed to think that way— that we have to prevent children very seriously, and then we have to try our hardest to get them. And we criticize the women in the Old Testament for being controlling!
Sadly, marriage, sex, and child raising are utterly fraught for so many of the younger generation. They approach everything with a management, "results-based" mentality that is death to enjoyment, rest, and receptivity.
I’m a Catholic who agrees with you, but in fairness, you cannot understand how devastating infertility is until you experience it. It touches every aspect of your life and can destroy your sense of self. What’s more, I do know quite a few people conceived by IVF after parents learned they could not conceive naturally (usually due to tubal problems). I think all of them prefer existence via lab over non-existence, frankly.
That’s not to say IVF is right, just that I think this topic is extremely fraught.
I do understand but part of the devastation is the thought that we can control everything and are owed a child. When we accept suffering as part of life, we can find peace. We cannot manipulate other human beings and the process itself. This is a truth obscured in our time. We have to help each other. The first step is to abjure this unacceptable route *no matter what the cost* to our sensibilities.
Every human life is precious. We would never consider rape as a means of begetting even as we affirm the child conceived in rape. IVF is simply the other end of the spectrum, but cold. Icy in fact. Literally, for the children conceived by it.
You’ve made a compromise with the devil. Stop, turn around, and go back.
If I were on a battlefield and stood up for soldiers in my unit who raped young girls, by writing “I know people conceived in rape, who are glad that their mother was raped, because it means they are alive”, would you want to listen to me - or vomit in disgust? The latter, of course.
IVF treats humans as commodities - worse than slaves, in fact. Most of these “commodities” will be killed by neglect. You cannot compromise with evil - it always transports you to the land of death and suffering.
I was suckered into IVF, when I did not know the details of the procedure. I told the doctor I can’t create life then neglect it. Before any conceptions occurred, it was revealed to me by the physician and his staff that MANY conceptions would occur, with most being discarded. I immediately stopped the process (I should have punched the doctor). I have no children, to this day. By making excuses for sin you disrespect God and those who stand for His truth at great cost to themselves. Stop - do not go any further down this path. It is pure evil.
I am a member of a PCA Protestant church, and I’ve noticed that ALL the young couples use the language “we’re trying” when they are no longer using birth control. This always cracks me up, because for most of us, “trying” shouldn’t be necessary. Sex should be fun and relaxed, at the same time understanding that you could have a baby. “Trying” just seems so anxious and performance-based. It isn’t necessary for most of us, and yet we’ve been programmed to think that way— that we have to prevent children very seriously, and then we have to try our hardest to get them. And we criticize the women in the Old Testament for being controlling!
Sadly, marriage, sex, and child raising are utterly fraught for so many of the younger generation. They approach everything with a management, "results-based" mentality that is death to enjoyment, rest, and receptivity.
I feel so bad for them!
100% it's very sad.
I’m a Catholic who agrees with you, but in fairness, you cannot understand how devastating infertility is until you experience it. It touches every aspect of your life and can destroy your sense of self. What’s more, I do know quite a few people conceived by IVF after parents learned they could not conceive naturally (usually due to tubal problems). I think all of them prefer existence via lab over non-existence, frankly.
That’s not to say IVF is right, just that I think this topic is extremely fraught.
I do understand but part of the devastation is the thought that we can control everything and are owed a child. When we accept suffering as part of life, we can find peace. We cannot manipulate other human beings and the process itself. This is a truth obscured in our time. We have to help each other. The first step is to abjure this unacceptable route *no matter what the cost* to our sensibilities.
Every human life is precious. We would never consider rape as a means of begetting even as we affirm the child conceived in rape. IVF is simply the other end of the spectrum, but cold. Icy in fact. Literally, for the children conceived by it.
You’ve made a compromise with the devil. Stop, turn around, and go back.
If I were on a battlefield and stood up for soldiers in my unit who raped young girls, by writing “I know people conceived in rape, who are glad that their mother was raped, because it means they are alive”, would you want to listen to me - or vomit in disgust? The latter, of course.
IVF treats humans as commodities - worse than slaves, in fact. Most of these “commodities” will be killed by neglect. You cannot compromise with evil - it always transports you to the land of death and suffering.
I was suckered into IVF, when I did not know the details of the procedure. I told the doctor I can’t create life then neglect it. Before any conceptions occurred, it was revealed to me by the physician and his staff that MANY conceptions would occur, with most being discarded. I immediately stopped the process (I should have punched the doctor). I have no children, to this day. By making excuses for sin you disrespect God and those who stand for His truth at great cost to themselves. Stop - do not go any further down this path. It is pure evil.
IVF leads us down a path that ends in a *Brave New World* style dystopia.
It’s evil. Powerful men pretending to be God as they claim the ability to conjure new life. They are, in reality, satan’s little helpers.
I have personal experience with this issue - don’t talk to me if you want to remain ignorant.