This happened to my children who were attending our parish school at the time back in 2019. They weren't fully vaccinated will the varicella vaccine (one child had one shot and the other had none). Someone in the school came down with chickenpox, so the school said our children could not attend for three weeks. I remember hearing that there was a student that was recently vaccinated in the class where the student came down with the chickenpox.
We are facing this nonsense again with the newish (2020) vaccine policy for our Archdiocese. We cannot re-enroll our children with the school because they are not fully vaccinated. So we will be going back to homeschooling. It's very frustrating.
I regretfully have missed 3 opportunities to get my kids natural immunity over the last 10-12 years. Bad timing each for various reasons. I'm running out of opportunities and my kids are getting older! Also, that dumb vaccine is not very effective. My uber pro-vax (like, even got her kids the C-shot) friend got her kids the CP vax and they still came down with it, but were all out in public while they were contagious because getting it was not on her radar. It does make me wonder exactly HOW contagious it is because of that experience.
I haven’t even heard of ONE instance of local CP for exposure purposes! Frustrating. I had it with all my siblings at the tender age of 18 months. We even had a little picture book called “Itchy, Itchy Chicken Pox” growing up…. I’m guessing that book has been banned absolutely!
Yes, the difficulty becomes when you have daughters almost grown up, and there have been NO opportunities for them to get the natural immunity! I waited and waited, hoping that we would hear of a family with chicken pox, so my own daughters (mid-teens) would contract it and get it over with. Alas, after a while I got them vaccinated (I did not realize that the shot was tainted). Seriously about 6 months after, our entire homeschool community came down with chicken pox.
I do not have any argument with certain vaccines for deadly diseases. My own father had polio as an infant, spent his entire life dealing with the consequences (including more than 30 surgeries), and ended up dying at the age of 68, his body simply brutalized by the effects of that disease. I had my kids vaccinated for polio.
At any rate, I wish I had waited a bit so my daughters could have gained the natural and much stronger immunity that a chicken pox infection would have given.
The only reason I can think of on why they would send the healthy children home is liability. No institute wants to be known as a place where a contagion has spread if it’s “preventable”. My guess is the next mandated vaccine to attend school will be for strep throat if they ever make one.
This evil is so multifaceted and subversive - the healthy, isolated child is now stigmatised within the school community and pitted against their parents.
This is so wrongheaded. And chicken pox at an early age is generally inconsequential - although awfully uncomfortable. But at an older age can be much more dangerous.
For the record - shingles only happens in those who’ve had chicken pox. No immunity is conveyed.
It's not that immunity is conveyed, it's that the severity of shingles is much higher for those who have not had what amount to "booster shots" of exposure.
They had chicken pox (or the vaccine) and then... nothing.
Just one little addition. My husband got chicken pox as an adult (in his thirties) at the same time our first four children got it. For him, it really WAS NOT dangerous, and it wasn't all that severe. So it just depends. (He had not had it as a child.) He also got shingles about twenty-ish years later, and his, too, was not all that severe (thankfully). My point: it does not HAVE to be horrible and dangerous for adults.
I am boggled over this. We don't have chicken pox jabs here in the UK - it's just one of those things kids get. My sons caught it "in the wild", my daughter attended a "chicken-pox party" held by a friend of a friend. This is exercise of power for the sake of power.
Power for the sake of power...but also especially for the sake of pharmaceutical pocketbooks.
The chicken pox vaccine was sold to the people by the argument that this "safe and effective" treatment would save parents from that pesky burden of having to take off work to watch their sick children. And the "authority class"/"just trust the experts" mentality had also already been so heartily engrained, I think, that the previous generations easily bought what was being sold. Few questions asked. They certainly didn't want to have to take off work anyway, and besides, "I trust my doctor." 🤦
Okay, so, I no longer get my kids the chicken pox vax. I myself was in the study group for it as a kid, before it was widely available. My mother jumped at the chance because she herself did not get chickenpox in childhood in the 1960s and had it in college, which was certainly no picnic.
Now, I did not get it for my first two kids, because fetal cells and not life-threatening. They were young when I had the chance for them to get it from my eldest’s godfamily but… I was newly pregnant and had never had chickenpox. I asked my midwife to check my titers and it showed I was not immune. I opted to get a booster shot, thinking I was protecting my unborn baby, but redrew titers to check that it “took.” Negative for immunity again.
We got them the shot at this point, but later regretted that choice. Nobody after the first two kids got the shot. I truly have no idea what my immune status is, whether the titers are reliable or not. Still none of my family except my husband has had chickenpox. We haven’t come across a case since.
Now this would seem to indicate that the herd immunity thing worked, but for how long? I’m pregnant again, am I at any particular risk? I truly have no idea anymore. I am convinced that these public health decisions have consequences we don’t understand that last for generations. I’m trying to do the best I can but informed consent is just not possible.
So one thing is that you might have T-cells and yes, be immune.
If it was my children who were pre-adolescent, I would go in search of CP.
I am convinced that immunity acquired in childhood is not only important for the child, but for providing exposure for a "booster" effect for adults -- to ward off shingles.
My older children, born 1989 and 1990 respectively, had the chicken pox in 1994 (no vaccine back then). The oldest one, who was in kindergarten at the time, was part of the wave that infected his ENTIRE class! No one was sent home back then until they actively broke out. No one was "ban" from coming to school because they had been exposed or suspected of being exposed, which EVERYONE was exposed at that time. Us moms who had younger siblings just let them be around those that were actively "poxing". A chickenpox party so to speak. Better to get everyone done and over with. Oatmeal baths aplenty! We were done in 2 weeks and everyone had natural immunity. Not one child was seriously ill. My mother told me that when my older siblings were young, when measles, mumps or whatever was going around, you just let all the kids be exposed. None of this "pearl clutching/fainting sofa" we have now!
This happened to my children who were attending our parish school at the time back in 2019. They weren't fully vaccinated will the varicella vaccine (one child had one shot and the other had none). Someone in the school came down with chickenpox, so the school said our children could not attend for three weeks. I remember hearing that there was a student that was recently vaccinated in the class where the student came down with the chickenpox.
We are facing this nonsense again with the newish (2020) vaccine policy for our Archdiocese. We cannot re-enroll our children with the school because they are not fully vaccinated. So we will be going back to homeschooling. It's very frustrating.
It just doesn't make sense!
And is not in the regulations, as far as I can see!
The little thread of common sense that humanity still had went out the window in 2020
I regretfully have missed 3 opportunities to get my kids natural immunity over the last 10-12 years. Bad timing each for various reasons. I'm running out of opportunities and my kids are getting older! Also, that dumb vaccine is not very effective. My uber pro-vax (like, even got her kids the C-shot) friend got her kids the CP vax and they still came down with it, but were all out in public while they were contagious because getting it was not on her radar. It does make me wonder exactly HOW contagious it is because of that experience.
I haven’t even heard of ONE instance of local CP for exposure purposes! Frustrating. I had it with all my siblings at the tender age of 18 months. We even had a little picture book called “Itchy, Itchy Chicken Pox” growing up…. I’m guessing that book has been banned absolutely!
Yes, the difficulty becomes when you have daughters almost grown up, and there have been NO opportunities for them to get the natural immunity! I waited and waited, hoping that we would hear of a family with chicken pox, so my own daughters (mid-teens) would contract it and get it over with. Alas, after a while I got them vaccinated (I did not realize that the shot was tainted). Seriously about 6 months after, our entire homeschool community came down with chicken pox.
I do not have any argument with certain vaccines for deadly diseases. My own father had polio as an infant, spent his entire life dealing with the consequences (including more than 30 surgeries), and ended up dying at the age of 68, his body simply brutalized by the effects of that disease. I had my kids vaccinated for polio.
At any rate, I wish I had waited a bit so my daughters could have gained the natural and much stronger immunity that a chicken pox infection would have given.
The only reason I can think of on why they would send the healthy children home is liability. No institute wants to be known as a place where a contagion has spread if it’s “preventable”. My guess is the next mandated vaccine to attend school will be for strep throat if they ever make one.
What you say makes sense except... the sick person was taken out. The school was only complying with the BoH.
This evil is so multifaceted and subversive - the healthy, isolated child is now stigmatised within the school community and pitted against their parents.
This is so wrongheaded. And chicken pox at an early age is generally inconsequential - although awfully uncomfortable. But at an older age can be much more dangerous.
For the record - shingles only happens in those who’ve had chicken pox. No immunity is conveyed.
It's not that immunity is conveyed, it's that the severity of shingles is much higher for those who have not had what amount to "booster shots" of exposure.
They had chicken pox (or the vaccine) and then... nothing.
Just one little addition. My husband got chicken pox as an adult (in his thirties) at the same time our first four children got it. For him, it really WAS NOT dangerous, and it wasn't all that severe. So it just depends. (He had not had it as a child.) He also got shingles about twenty-ish years later, and his, too, was not all that severe (thankfully). My point: it does not HAVE to be horrible and dangerous for adults.
I am boggled over this. We don't have chicken pox jabs here in the UK - it's just one of those things kids get. My sons caught it "in the wild", my daughter attended a "chicken-pox party" held by a friend of a friend. This is exercise of power for the sake of power.
Power for the sake of power...but also especially for the sake of pharmaceutical pocketbooks.
The chicken pox vaccine was sold to the people by the argument that this "safe and effective" treatment would save parents from that pesky burden of having to take off work to watch their sick children. And the "authority class"/"just trust the experts" mentality had also already been so heartily engrained, I think, that the previous generations easily bought what was being sold. Few questions asked. They certainly didn't want to have to take off work anyway, and besides, "I trust my doctor." 🤦
Okay, so, I no longer get my kids the chicken pox vax. I myself was in the study group for it as a kid, before it was widely available. My mother jumped at the chance because she herself did not get chickenpox in childhood in the 1960s and had it in college, which was certainly no picnic.
Now, I did not get it for my first two kids, because fetal cells and not life-threatening. They were young when I had the chance for them to get it from my eldest’s godfamily but… I was newly pregnant and had never had chickenpox. I asked my midwife to check my titers and it showed I was not immune. I opted to get a booster shot, thinking I was protecting my unborn baby, but redrew titers to check that it “took.” Negative for immunity again.
We got them the shot at this point, but later regretted that choice. Nobody after the first two kids got the shot. I truly have no idea what my immune status is, whether the titers are reliable or not. Still none of my family except my husband has had chickenpox. We haven’t come across a case since.
Now this would seem to indicate that the herd immunity thing worked, but for how long? I’m pregnant again, am I at any particular risk? I truly have no idea anymore. I am convinced that these public health decisions have consequences we don’t understand that last for generations. I’m trying to do the best I can but informed consent is just not possible.
So one thing is that you might have T-cells and yes, be immune.
If it was my children who were pre-adolescent, I would go in search of CP.
I am convinced that immunity acquired in childhood is not only important for the child, but for providing exposure for a "booster" effect for adults -- to ward off shingles.
My older children, born 1989 and 1990 respectively, had the chicken pox in 1994 (no vaccine back then). The oldest one, who was in kindergarten at the time, was part of the wave that infected his ENTIRE class! No one was sent home back then until they actively broke out. No one was "ban" from coming to school because they had been exposed or suspected of being exposed, which EVERYONE was exposed at that time. Us moms who had younger siblings just let them be around those that were actively "poxing". A chickenpox party so to speak. Better to get everyone done and over with. Oatmeal baths aplenty! We were done in 2 weeks and everyone had natural immunity. Not one child was seriously ill. My mother told me that when my older siblings were young, when measles, mumps or whatever was going around, you just let all the kids be exposed. None of this "pearl clutching/fainting sofa" we have now!